This video is such a clear example of what our establishment media has been pushing from day 1
Meacham: I don't think we should be prosecuting people, uh, but I do think we should be finding out exactly what happened and why.
Scarborough: It would be very difficult if we started prosecuting people because you couldn't stop with the lawyers it would have to go to Dick Cheney & Condoleeza Rice & Don Rumsfeld & George W. Bush - all the people around the table. As Donnie said that is the last thing this president wants for this own political reasons.
Meacham: I completely agree with that. I think that you have to go to the top responsible officer and everyone likes to talk about VP Cheney in this context, and they should, he was a critical player but we had a president, we had I think a president who history will show was much more hands on than we think and so you would have to somehow or another figure out how to hold a president culpable in his official role which has been a very complicated thing in our Constitutional history. You mentioned the Nixon example which is the best, I think. And I think you're right in that a criminal prosecution takes us to a very different place then we've been in the past...at the same time I would love to see a terrific senator or congressman doing a 911 commission kind of thing.
Scarborough: I hear from some agencies that 100 people died while in captivity in these type of prisons I don't know whether that's the truth or not I would like to know though - I think you're exactly right that we have these investigations - we clear the air but we need to be focused and rational about it and not emotional.
Meacham: ...I don't think we know exactly what happened... Let's do a Post 911 commission.Deutsch: Let's not prosecute I think we all agree on that...Meacham: nods his head in approval.
Deutsch: John don't we all know what happened? And you set it up best - on Sept 10th we were one country on Sept 12th we were a different country and we all know that if you said to everybody in this country OK, if by waterboarding one terrorist you could save your brother would you do it? We all know the answer to that and that was the tenor of this country so without an investigation and Joe help me out here or disagree with me, don't we all kinda know that we walked into that grey emotional and legal area and obviously these are things that people are taught in U.S. military training techniques so there is a precedent there, so don't we kind of know what went down?
Scarborough: The important thing though is John, as with the economic crisis, we love blaming Wall street, we love blaming Washington. We need to blame ourselves also. I remember, you know, I am a conservative/libertarian, I want small government . I remember on Sept 12th turning to my wife and saying - you know I love small government, I don't trust federal authority but I'll tell you what we need to do, whatever we have (you can hear Deutsch saying...exactly exactly at this point) to do to make sure it never happens again and I'll be damned if 300 million Americans didn't say the same thing at the same time, so lets not be self righteous now 8years (Another Deutsch "exactly" heard in the background) later when we think that the skies over New York are safe.
Meacham: (supposedly quoting Schlesinger) Self righteousness and retrospect is easy and cheap
Righteousness is easy in retrospect.
For most Americans the Constitution had become a hazy document, cited like the Bible on ceremonial occasions but forgotten in the daily transactions of life.