I've got to stop you right there. How do you dare come on this set and say it's not effective. That's just not the truth and if you have any evidence that it is not effective let me know right now.
Actually I do know the answer and America will know the answer when the documents are declassified. I DO know the answer to that question.
I've talked with some past CIA directors who agree that the ticking time bomb scenario is actually easier to handle than what the CIA handled on Sept. 12.
Guilliani: Frankly waterboarding or extreme measures of interrogation are more effective for future oriented information than they are for past (Mika says "right") oriented info because you can more easily lie about what happened in the past.Scarborough: ...terrorists love talking about what they did (Mika chimes in "exactly"), they take great pride in it that's why FBI briefers can find out what happened in the past.Guilliani: It's easier to lie about the past. ..it's much more ambiguous than the future. It's easier to lie about the past. The future is going to happen. There are two terrorists - one knows about the past the other one knows about the future. The one that knows about the past will tell me what he thinks I want to hear. The one that knows about the future can't tell me what he thinks I want to hear because if he tells it to me wrong the next day or day after I have immediate verification of that and I'm gonna go back at him with those same techniques. It is much more reliable because it much more verifiable when you're dealing with future information. My contention about waterboarding is not that it should be a method that we use generally or regularly I just don't like taking the method away completely from the arsenal of the CIA and all the rest of the agencies.
STATEMENT BY LIEUTENANT GENERAL HARRY E. SOYSTER, USA (Ret.),
FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (DIA), 1988-91"Experienced military and intelligence professionals know that torture, in addition to being illegal and immoral, is an unreliable means of extracting information from prisoners......There are always those who, whether out of fear or inexperience, rush to push the panic button instead of relying on what we know works best and most reliably in these situations.
Former VP Dick Cheney has requested the release of additional memos showing that torture and abuse saved American lives by preventing terrorist attacks. If the Obama administration decides to release these memos, then I suggest they also release statistics from Iraq showing the number of foreign fighters that were recruited because of our policy of torture and abuse. It was tracked. I know because I saw the slides and because I heard captured foreign fighters state this day in and day out. The government can also release the statistics that show that 90% of suicide bombers in Iraq were these same foreign fighters. These foreign fighters killed hundreds, if not thousands, of American soldiers.